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- 0:05 :: I think we'll roll on now to um to the next phase. And again, great pleasure to welcome our guest speaker, senior Greg
- 0:14 :: York, a CSC who I'm sure most of you know from this former role as senior naval officer Victoria.
- 0:25 :: Um, the flyer in our last newsletter gave you a bit of background and I know he won't like me to repeat it, so I
- 0:34 :: won't. Um, suffice to say that since retiring from the senior naval loss of Victoria role
- 0:42 :: in 204, he's been employed in a couple of roles associated with Australia's
- 0:48 :: acquisition of the 11 new frig to replace the ANZAC class. And for the first time, we're going to be acquiring
- 0:57 :: a Japanese designed ship, the improved Mami class. the first three to be built in Japan remain straight. So I'm going
- 1:06 :: to leave Greg to provide much of the detail of this challenging new project
- 1:14 :: and perhaps some of his related experiences and travels in Japan
- 1:20 :: to inform us. Please join me in a warm welcome for
- 1:29 :: let me start by just saying thanks very much.
- 1:33 :: Um and tonight as mentioned I've been asked to present on the decision that marks a significant shift in Australia's naval
- 1:42 :: strategy that was selection and the update the G class fre
- 1:48 :: Japan's new FFN is what they call it to be Australia's general purpose frig and
- 1:55 :: will become the cornerstone of the future surface fleet for the Royal Australian Navy
- 2:02 :: and briefly talk about my involvement in the process.
- 2:06 :: So, some of you may recall that I retired as a senior officer in December 2024.
- 2:16 :: I had my final farewell from the Navy at the officers nest at Victoria Mars in
- 2:23 :: January 2025.
- 2:27 :: And that night I was asked on more than a dozen occasions I think it was what was I going to do next. And
- 2:37 :: um at that stage my response was well we just wait and see what came along. I had no great
- 2:45 :: plans. Well, as it turns out, two weeks after that, on a Wednesday afternoon, I took a phone call from a person I had no
- 2:55 :: knowledge of out of the blue. And the following Sunday, I was in Tokyo and had commenced a consulting role supporting
- 3:05 :: the Japanese Ministry of Defense and defense industry in Japan, responding to the request for tender, providing the
- 3:14 :: upgrade frig as general purpose fet 3000 to replace the air ships.
- 3:26 :: So this is legally upgraded down. So I ended up doing about a month
- 3:35 :: in Tokyo at that time as we completed the response for the RF number one contender number one.
- 3:46 :: This was a competitive bid between the Japanese and the upgraded Mami cricket as seen here and the German company TKMS
- 3:55 :: offering the Mik 200 cricket variant. So the MA 200
- 4:01 :: was the design but TKMS was offering up a new version of that what they call 2002.
- 4:14 :: So as you probably remember in the middle of um last year the government announced
- 4:23 :: that the army frigate was now selected and would be the preferred choice as C300
- 4:31 :: general purpose frigot. So I end up back in Japan in August and September and October
- 4:39 :: supporting the Ministry of Defense in Japan again industry partners in the
- 4:45 :: next generation of the proposed solution detail contract level crossing detail contract costings
- 4:55 :: and the design work that was required for that detail design.
- 5:00 :: uh that work was completed with the next submission being delivered to the com in late November last year.
- 5:10 :: So I should point out that the design that was proposed was intended to be
- 5:17 :: known for at least minimum change to that which is built for the Japanese. Um that would be a cheap Australian navy.
- 5:29 :: We'll have to see what happens as far as that's concerned.
- 5:33 :: So in mid January this year I supported contract negotiations in Cra with the commonwealth and the
- 5:41 :: defense Japanese um industry partners and our exhibition industries as a ship
- 5:48 :: builder three independent companies equipment for
- 5:56 :: so on 3 weeks with face back and forth negotiations which eventually led to the
- 6:03 :: contract being signed here at station V on the 18th of April that day in the content part of that evening.
- 6:14 :: So this contract that was signed is for the first three ships as Andy mentioned to be built in Japan by Mishi Industries
- 6:23 :: and the first Australian will be delivered in December 2029
- 6:30 :: with the next ship 2 years later and the third 11 months after that.
- 6:37 :: The subsequent eight chips are sexual in Australia at the Henderson Jyard
- 6:44 :: just with a delivery every 18 months after that when she will come to Japan. We'll wait and see what happens.
- 6:54 :: So what does the right pass is on the right? current version
- 7:03 :: upgraded is slightly bigger um 142 ma
- 7:14 :: 6800 sorry vice vers
- 7:26 :: I consider a perfect match for Australia's future requirements personally in the army is designed by a manpower constrained Navy.
- 7:38 :: So the core crew on the current version is 90 and that's expected to stay the same.
- 7:46 :: So significantly less than the ANZAC ship that it's replacing. Um the hands
- 7:54 :: are currently sitt around 170 people. So nearly half the crew on one of these apartments.
- 8:04 :: There is BS over 140. So there's still capacity to go if we need to.
- 8:12 :: And as you can imagine with half the crew. it's highly automated systems on board to help reduce that that um that workload.
- 8:25 :: So secondly um the ex the army has an extended range um it's suited to Australia's
- 8:34 :: operational needs through that it has a range of approximately 10,000 nautical miles which is about 30% more than the
- 8:44 :: antax company the about 7,000 miles around
- 8:51 :: 10 miles range So it's perfectly suited for us for long deployments across the
- 8:59 :: Indo Pacific region and also for the staff sustaining operations to be expected to be involved in
- 9:08 :: lastly the upgraded offers a balanced not over special office capability. So
- 9:14 :: what do I mean by that? Real is capable across air surface and subsurface domains and it offers the flexibility
- 9:23 :: for both combatant and constabularary roles.
- 9:28 :: Additionally, many of the systems, sensors and weapons are readily compatible with the current Australian
- 9:36 :: fleet and more importantly with United States forces. So this makes the upgrade of the army ideal for maritime security
- 9:45 :: roles presence operations in the South China Sea and also as a player in coalition task groups.
- 9:57 :: Um just anecdotally I was lucky enough to visit the Mitsubishi industry ship garden where these ships or where the
- 10:04 :: current garden is built um down in Nagasaki during my time in Japan.
- 10:13 :: This shipyard is some 147 years old.
- 10:17 :: I've been building ships there for a long time. And since World War II, I have built some 40 ships for the
- 10:25 :: Japanese maritime self-defense force of various sizes. Every one of those has been delivered on time and under Belgium.
- 10:35 :: Um so when the Japanese got questions about delays and um we could damages
- 10:43 :: delays etc. They have no idea what we're talking about.
- 10:49 :: So, it was the most impressive ship with all the work ethic and high quality processes and procedures that one would
- 10:58 :: expect from the Japanese was pretty amazing for what was an old yard.
- 11:05 :: While we were there, while we were there, we witnessed a number of the under various stages of guilt. One of
- 11:12 :: which was actually in final care just about JSU.
- 11:19 :: We were lucky enough to have a good look around that you must impressive and a high quality finish.
- 11:30 :: Um, some of the little quirks. The ship has some 250 odd cameras and associated
- 11:38 :: sensors located in every compartment on board the ship which are all centrally
- 11:45 :: and automatically monitored. Um, so um again helping to reduce that.
- 11:54 :: Um, one of the most interesting apartments that we visited was the bathrooms, which were very different to what I expected and what one might think.
- 12:06 :: Firstly, there were no cubicles. It was just showered shower roses down either side of the compartment.
- 12:14 :: And at the very end of the compartment was a large stainless steel on the sand bath.
- 12:23 :: Um, we were also a little confused why baby shower had a waist mirror
- 12:32 :: or a mirror had wast
- 12:44 :: until it was pointed out to us that Japanese traditionally sit on a small three stool when they shower.
- 12:54 :: And the mirror is there for them to shave at the same time as they in this.
- 13:01 :: I'm unsure whether these compartments will remain in that Australia sort of happens.
- 13:13 :: Um getting on to some of the more interesting facts about the army freedom. um very capable um ship
- 13:23 :: in the command that was um birthed at station here for a weekend. And just on
- 13:30 :: that talk to the showing male female as well um we I didn't pick up a male and
- 13:39 :: female they are in each crew but I didn't pick up on whether we're in a male or female bathroom or it's coming.
- 13:56 :: Yeah. So the first thing to note about these is their design. They're exceptional stealth characteristics. Um
- 14:05 :: significantly significantly minimizing the radar cross-section on a normal 3
- 14:11 :: ship and there are no protrusions on the up deck, but it aren't covered by a bit
- 14:19 :: of metal. So all over this impressive
- 14:25 :: tube design on the end defense side is fitted with an OP Y multi-function phase
- 14:33 :: relay rad. And this is the Japanese version of the spy one US multiplace
- 14:40 :: rad. So it's um Japanese
- 14:48 :: version of US design rad and that's similar to all of the systems on board.
- 14:56 :: The upload is also fitted with a 32 cell mark 41 vertical launch system just on screen.
- 15:07 :: Um for Australia this likely means oh sorry but that can take the full range of vertical launch weapons. Um for
- 15:15 :: Australia that probably means a couple of standard missile variants and also the LC missile 2 but there's potential
- 15:25 :: for future compatibility with longer range weapons being developed in the US.
- 15:34 :: While these ships won't replace the mobile class will provide a distributed air defense across the large number of ships that we'll have in service.
- 15:45 :: which will complicate any advers adverse targeting problem. Um for close in weapons
- 15:53 :: is fitted with one SA mount array is a combination of rockets and the phix weapon system.
- 16:05 :: So pretty impressive um blocking in defense in submarine warfare. The Mami has an
- 16:13 :: advanced sonar suite which includes a whole mounted sonar and a very very depth sonar.
- 16:24 :: It also has ship launched torpedo tubes and is has a very large flight deck
- 16:32 :: which is capable of supporting an helicopter. The Japanese operate a SH60 lemur version of the Seabore helicopter.
- 16:45 :: Um, Australia will put on the R M860 Romeo Seaw. It's similar in size and so
- 16:55 :: will easily fit on the deck and in the I'm not sure whether Australia will purchase any but the Japanese ships can
- 17:04 :: fire type 7 vertical launch rocket from launch system. So
- 17:12 :: that's sometimes um
- 17:19 :: the Japanese still fire those. So we may get those on service bike and deterrence
- 17:28 :: should be with the 5 mark 62.41 which is the same on price.
- 17:41 :: Uh they also expected to get paint and ship missiles such as the normal strike
- 17:48 :: missile. That's yet to be decided which version of what what is going on but um
- 17:56 :: man be the construct weapon also has um and it was originally
- 18:05 :: designed in the original that unique warfare capability.
- 18:12 :: So can deploy unmanned systems the UVs and um USBs.
- 18:18 :: under um
- 18:23 :: vessel and US under also unman services
- 18:30 :: that's from a stern door which is below the project and they the Japanese use a remote
- 18:39 :: control service vessel to go out and lay mines and also to do mine hunting and m
- 18:46 :: detection. Again, not sure that Australia will purchase um
- 18:55 :: those equipments, but certainly when we use the remote, we'll put a remote
- 19:02 :: control vessel on board inside
- 19:10 :: for the uh engineers here.
- 19:15 :: One, two, Um the propulsion configuration is very similar to the hands up class. It's got
- 19:22 :: one gas turbine um two shafts, one gas turbine and two diesel propulsion engines and taking up to a
- 19:32 :: speed of so to the end.
- 19:46 :: This is the enhanced gun.
- 19:55 :: That's um what time machine the 600 is the full time machine.
- 20:06 :: So this is the um one of the um picture of the operations
- 20:14 :: room or the CC on the fully armor plated um compartment located centrally in the ship.
- 20:25 :: The external circular bulkheads should be um display a 360° panoramic or have
- 20:33 :: the capability of displaying a 360° panoramic picture around the ship if
- 20:44 :: the sensor is on the top. So has you can get a full picture um
- 20:50 :: display around the room and obviously you get display the other um screens and
- 20:57 :: and on the picture of the world around you.
- 21:07 :: Um within this compartment is not only the operations room but also the communication center. All the machinery
- 21:16 :: control monitoring is done from this compartment. So no raising engineers
- 21:27 :: and damage control center and even you can even drive the ship from here. So if
- 21:33 :: you go to an unmanned bridge or you can ship away from operations room
- 21:43 :: visual awareness I've heard that the whole can be accommodating the whole area
- 21:51 :: that yeah that I think it's squishy people
- 22:01 :: I think I say it's totally unplayable was designed by tank designers um to give it the protection it needs.
- 22:11 :: Yeah.
- 22:15 :: Um so just going back to um what some of the other objectives of the
- 22:22 :: project the general purpose program is not just about the ship cap building. It's also about improving
- 22:30 :: Australia's sovereign industrial capacity. So, as previously mentioned, the current contract includes first
- 22:37 :: three ships being built at the NH facility in um Japan, but the subsequent ships
- 22:45 :: will be built um in Henderson at a facility to be yet to be fully designed and certainly not funded yet.
- 22:57 :: um built contracts in them.
- 23:06 :: So this aligns with Australia's border and national goals that continue building capability and producing alliance over sustainable
- 23:15 :: uh from the perspective of Japan. This program reinforces the strategic relationship between Japan and Australia.
- 23:26 :: um navies, but also our two countries.
- 23:29 :: And certainly the Japanese are very keen to have a remote supply chain um in
- 23:36 :: Australia versus getting under threat from China.
- 23:45 :: Japan.
- 23:47 :: So um there's some more stats about the ship. So to to conclude the upgrade of
- 23:54 :: the GI car sphere is not just a replacement for the ANZAC class. It represents natural coition in how
- 24:03 :: Australia thinks about power. The army is built for distributed operations in a contested military environment and will
- 24:12 :: deliver more ships with crew at a high level and flexible combat capability.
- 24:20 :: So I was very impressed with the ships that they built and this upgraded version is even more impressive.
- 24:29 :: So that concludes my presentation. happy to talk about what I did or what should
- 24:37 :: um any questions um in regard the current version um
- 24:47 :: there's about nine being delivered today for 12
- 24:53 :: um we will ship every 6 months of the facility
- 25:00 :: so That'll be done in in the next 8 months and they'll move on. They already had the first contract for the first
- 25:07 :: three ships to be upgraded with armies and the third of those ships will be
- 25:18 :: the 90 includ just
- 25:31 :: what does the name Um so I should mention that actually um rivers. So all of the named after
- 25:40 :: rivers. There was this suggestion early on that the Australian
- 25:50 :: um go back to all the river destroyers and all of Australian
- 26:01 :: There's only one exist
- 26:20 :: no be called rivers. Yeah. wasn't wasn't
- 26:27 :: also said that I'm sure it's not
- 26:41 :: yet four years ago. We're going to have 10
- 26:52 :: suits and they're bigger than me. So where's these going to interact? Yeah,
- 27:00 :: good question. I think that's why they chosen to go, you know, with 11 of these. So reduce them on the arches cuz
- 27:09 :: I mean they're larger and more capable but these guys can get the workforce and and support in any any
- 27:32 :: um that was one of the challenges that we had all the way through Um this is the the Japanese have never delivered to
- 27:42 :: another country and they never exported to another country. I mean um after World War II the constitution was about
- 27:50 :: the self exports and so they only built for themselves. The constitution changed
- 27:56 :: um a little while ago now and they were participating in some of the task groups that went up into the Middle East when
- 28:05 :: Afghanistan was not Afghanistan. what happened in
- 28:12 :: the you know 201ishish and so at that stage they started to
- 28:19 :: sell equipment to some foreign countries but never a full packing that this will
- 28:26 :: be the first time that Japan Japan delivers a full packing country and I
- 28:34 :: was really stretched um yes some of the the people in in Japan and quite concerned about that
- 28:41 :: being clear from self-defense to offensive and providing arms to other countries. But back to the female
- 28:50 :: sword
- 29:01 :: was here in station and there were a number of female foxes
- 29:08 :: but I don't think it's just on the other patient I understand New Zealand
- 29:17 :: is Now also looking at the options to replace their ancestor.
- 29:24 :: And in many respects, I suspect it would make awful good sense for them to be hooked into a program that was
- 29:32 :: fundamentally based out of Austral
- 29:53 :: New Zealand.
- 29:55 :: But you know don't mind following their footsteps.
- 30:00 :: They make their own decisions. I don't think that wise to that they could get three of these at a pretty reasonable
- 30:07 :: price all into the supply chain. Um, as I said, Mitsubishi um delivers a ship every 6
- 30:17 :: months. Australia only wants one in 29 then the next one till 31 and the
- 30:25 :: following one to mid 32 and then 18 months after that
- 30:36 :: I didn't answer your question before but in the army Japanese build 12 of their own to live 6 months so in six years we finished.
- 30:49 :: Um bear in mind the first ship actually delivers in 2028.
- 30:55 :: So they'll be finished before we get our third.
- 31:00 :: Um and they're not going to keep the supply line open.
- 31:07 :: Yeah. And he said that the Japanese are also looking at doing a work
- 31:14 :: for and should be planning to be building those on the so
- 31:24 :: I have more doubts and I keep saying that we would be better just buy ships from Japan.
- 31:34 :: And there's no way Herson's going to be ready to build anything before the mid30s
- 31:47 :: from Japan. She does a great job and we can't afford to buy it every 6 months. That's why we extend. It's not
- 31:55 :: the budget money in the budget to build but would there be the possibility
- 32:05 :: of Japan building in Australia should the need ever arise. In other
- 32:14 :: words, Japan being decimated and therefore everything coming back to us to board and completely construction.
- 32:26 :: Um internally were asked if they wanted to buy into
- 32:34 :: sheep in Australia and and they basically said no. So to get Mitsubishi is a massive company in
- 32:43 :: in Japan that we want to stand with four big companies in Japan. Um Kawasaki
- 32:51 :: and Mitsubishi were the two of the largest. So the ship building arm of um
- 32:58 :: Mitsubishi in Japan is about 20% of the overall revenue of the whole company.
- 33:07 :: This $10 million contract for Australia represents 2% of that ship building
- 33:14 :: business. Um, and interest in Australia to deal with Australian workforce.
- 33:29 :: solve but they do they are very keen that we have been looking to be a supply chain
- 33:38 :: in Australia because they dangerous position that they're in and we look to Australia to
- 33:46 :: partner in partnering
- 33:53 :: with Japan that's what's the crew that you're saying with these cuz unless crew members 90 versus 17.
- 34:08 :: Do you think that 90 includ warfare capability that would seem to
- 34:18 :: probably need quite specialist people very good at sonars?
- 34:25 :: Do you think uh 90 includes all those added capabilities? Yeah.
- 34:35 :: Yeah. No, that's now um we sort of I didn't pick up on this but
- 34:43 :: I was told by I sat next door I was a combat system manager um Australian I
- 34:52 :: was a com system last year been on board one of the
- 34:58 :: friers from Dar um these He said that the crew is quite
- 35:08 :: senior. So they don't have seen it and overseen. They have officers who are man.
- 35:18 :: So they're experienced and and confident people um how we manipulate.
- 35:28 :: Uh, one of the interesting things that he did say was um, the combat system I received is Japanese and he said a
- 35:38 :: console within an hour was driving console because it was quite intuitive
- 35:44 :: and similar to NCS which was on the system. So the
- 35:53 :: technology the the technology buttons and things were all familiar in Japanese language.
- 36:05 :: Just one thing talking about personnel mans I know a lot of European countries and others still have national service.
- 36:15 :: um males in three lane here probably.
- 36:20 :: So um we're expanding from this maritime transport locally into the world. So
- 36:28 :: today looking to bringing national service or some means of recruiting all
- 36:35 :: people that's crossing with other nations.
- 36:39 :: Um they never talked about that. I mean that support volunteer
- 36:47 :: um you know you're probably aware that the Japanese um dying race
- 36:56 :: on the replacing the old generation that Australian sustain
- 37:09 :: the facility yet to be designed It's all very rubber. I got a contract.
- 37:16 :: What's What's the situation with
- 37:25 :: us facility?
- 37:31 :: So this chip builder has been selected as hospital.
- 37:38 :: That's one of the reasons that fishing sign and deed
- 37:47 :: for Australia is 20% owned by North by South Korea who was their major competitor
- 37:56 :: in in chip building market.
- 38:03 :: having committed to transferring the technology of the knowledge in ship building that they have to host
- 38:11 :: um yeah because that so that
- 38:19 :: say in Japan and double that
- 38:26 :: cost three times as much take twice as might be anywhere near as well from
- 38:34 :: getting back to the facility it's like the ship common
- 38:41 :: this shipyard story needs to be concept they're using the same and I still would
- 38:50 :: be using that surface combat so it was a built by the
- 38:58 :: Condro funded by com I mean as you can see this is a defense department docking
- 39:05 :: copies of the diop
- 39:18 :: subs in the rest of them um when in the phase one that we did we
- 39:26 :: had a bunch of infrastructure people as part of their team who looked at Anderson and um put up a plan on how we
- 39:35 :: need to change to be able to build the gardeners and basically they needed all of that
- 39:43 :: and they needed to start this year building if it was going to be ready to build
- 39:52 :: ship for inst But what's not certain the best there's a scope to extend dependence in defense precinct outside
- 40:00 :: it present boundaries do you think I as I as far as I know it is
- 40:09 :: very facility which I don't know what that
- 40:18 :: represents here is a company that does a lot of where it's working. Um,
- 40:28 :: they need to take all that over to be and then build a whole stack of stuff.
- 40:36 :: the car class um in the west. They actually build them
- 40:45 :: from New Zealand and put them on a track and um train
- 40:52 :: them into the facility and then we work together. And to do that I have to do it at 2:00 in the morning. I have to show
- 41:00 :: all the roads have to do all the attention noise and all sorts of things.
- 41:07 :: So as time goes on building them all in Japan might look very attractive.
- 41:14 :: That's what I'm doing.
- 41:19 :: Um you might get federal
- 41:28 :: the weaponry on there is very very impressive. um in the construction. Um
- 41:36 :: I'm assuming there's going to be lots of spots for hundreds of drones on there.
- 41:42 :: And what about laser weaponry in the future which hold their ships?
- 41:49 :: Yeah. Um I don't think Australia has thought very hard or very well about the modern
- 42:00 :: the modern threats. That's that's my reason why we can't send those ships up.
- 42:09 :: And yes, you could put the drones in the hanger, but you couldn't put the drones up.
- 42:18 :: It's pretty tight. Um, so any large can be struggling.
- 42:25 :: Yeah. Having said that, I think now he's doing a lot of thinking about drones on boards and using them as
- 42:34 :: platform, you know, might be controlled by by um system.
- 42:47 :: weaponry.
- 42:49 :: Um yeah, laser weaponry
- 42:59 :: control that control some of the lasers. So there's a little company here in Port Melbourne I visited
- 43:07 :: a couple years ago called Defense. They have what they call a fractal um visor which is a
- 43:16 :: visor taking out drones and and
- 43:28 :: actually maybe a couple of suites so you can get them on
- 43:37 :: Um they're very dangerous
- 43:44 :: looking at them or getting reflected energy
- 43:51 :: something which is how it
- 44:00 :: sort of Um yeah, we were walking in and out through wasn't an unusual fit design
- 44:09 :: from that point. And I'm not sure of what it is and those sorts of things, but
- 44:20 :: is there damage control system you think similar to um
- 44:29 :: well again a lot of it's based on the US system US um in that sense.
- 44:40 :: similar markings and similar numberings as the US has been and to be honest we didn't see a lot of sitting here walking
- 44:49 :: around just because it was a big mistake I wasn't getting over
- 44:59 :: the board in a different place I ask
- 45:09 :: I was told it operates from that and have control same concept.
- 45:28 :: Um we were in discussion um at the back end of the negotiation contract negotiations on the mark 54.
- 45:40 :: Okay. Um but Japanese don't use 54 yet still 46.
- 45:51 :: Yeah.
- 45:55 :: So I think one of the things I did point out.
- 46:08 :: So even though this is all that are stealth um you can see all these
- 46:17 :: openings that all hydraulics that f to various kils
- 46:30 :: and all sorts of things.
- 46:32 :: So lots of hydraulics along the ditch controlling all of those hatchets each.
- 47:01 :: Yeah. Yeah,
- 47:13 :: last one. Yeah, the Australian class of Australia's destroyers have
- 47:20 :: massive Australian design radars. This looks like a very small
- 47:29 :: antenna. Um it is
- 47:36 :: um and it's interesting that the original Magi is
- 47:44 :: see it's black for and the upgraded they shifted over to a
- 47:51 :: 45° so it's on the ground on
- 47:59 :: four and a half in Okay. So, we're not sure why they did that, but saying performance-wise.
- 48:06 :: Um there was a particular admiral who um was pushing really hard for Australia to
- 48:15 :: buy from the Guppies um and he's very keen to get the CEO that
- 48:22 :: is currently on the ANZAC into these and that's why um they're
- 48:29 :: thinking about the 11 chips will be done in batches and at most as a mutual um once we've
- 48:39 :: established the relationship once we've got the systems center and sport center
- 48:49 :: up equipment and and the US sorry Japanese wanting to some of the technologies that we have
- 48:56 :: in Australia including they're very keen to to get that
- 49:05 :: I anymore.
- 49:15 :: Thank you. I mean, it's been wonderful to hear um from somebody who has knowledge of or at least early
- 49:23 :: knowledge. Um, I think this is it's not exactly we're not exactly building the airplane as we're flying it, but you
- 49:30 :: know, there's an awful lot of information um that we've revealed that is still yet to be determined and uh and key design aspects as well.
- 49:42 :: But it's pretty exciting to be involved in. I don't have much longer plan to be involved, but uh but good luck
